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Post by Kuro on Oct 12, 2011 16:17:10 GMT -5
[orange]Basic tiger colors and of asian descent. [/orange]
What we currently have in the room. As the main group of tigers in the book were asian, we have been limiting the choices on tigers to Asians with pureblooded only.
[orange]All colors and of asian descent.[/orange]
We haven't been allowing Golden and Blue tigers in the room due to the rareness of them (One being 'claimed' extinct in the Anita Blake series). This would be allowing all colors but still being of Asian descent.
[orange]All colors but based on natural location for descent.[/orange]
Just basing the tiger colors and their lines on whatever location the natural version of that tiger would live in. White would be Siberia/Russia, Orange from Asia, Black from anywhere tigers exist, etc.
[orange]Basic colors.[/orange]
The basic colors but of any ethnicity.
[orange]All colors.[/orange]
All colors but of any ethnicity.
[orange]Basic Tiger colors and infected.[/orange]
Having the basic colors but allowing people to play infected tigers in London.
[orange]All colors and infected[/orange]
All colors and infected.
[orange]Just Infected.[/orange]
All colors but no pureblooded tigers.
[orange]Just Pureblood.[/orange]
All colors and ethnicities but no infected tigers.
[orange]Anything goes.[/orange]
All colors. All ethnicities. Pureblooded and infected.
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Post by Kuro on Oct 12, 2011 16:22:07 GMT -5
Tigers. Whats your opinion on how they should be in LbLL?
Both BR and I have no real issues on how they are in the room, the current stance is merely because of how we felt they would be in London in this era. However, RP does have a little bit of fantasy involved so how would you like to see them?
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Post by diarslade on Oct 12, 2011 19:31:20 GMT -5
Personally infected should be allowed...hell even infected with a color other than orange should be allowed. No that's not in the books, but as RPers we're allowed to take artistic liberty. Especially since in this case it's not just an esthetic thing (though for the most part it kind of is) but adds an entire new dynamic to play (the politics between infected vs attacked vs pure born vs royal)
What shouldn't be allowed are outright "golden" tigers. A yellow tiger that is a decedent of the gold sure, but an outright golden tiger will be OP compared to the other tigers and is an all around bad idea.
Blue tigers are excessively rare in modern times, a hundred years earlier their might be quite a few more of them. If not there still isn't anything wrong with capping them off at like 3-4 and first come first serve.
The problem with LKH is that she only ever said that tigers came from "the east" I.E Asia...well there are a lot of people in Asia and they have lots of different skin tones and looks to them. (Chinese and Japanese look different if you can tell the difference, and Russians are Asian, as are indians) If you're going to go the that route than you need to take into account a couple of things. White tigers and Red tigers probably come from Russia and India respectively...it's were those tigers exist naturally. Black and yellow tigers don't exist in the wild though...at all even, but I'd say those come from china...blue also don't exist and it's never really explained where they come from.
With so little to go on, it seems silly to be so limiting...take advantage of the fact that you have little to go on and make it more open.
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Post by chaoslight on Oct 12, 2011 19:43:40 GMT -5
My questions would be, how rare were blue and gold at this point in time? Rare overall, and rare outside of their area. There was the Silk Road, which may allow a tiger or two, particularly any who may deal in opium or spices, to be around.
From what I recall, the remaining golden tigers scattered after the golden queen was killed. They'd be hiding a whole lot more than a normal tiger, I'd imagine; staying as far under the radar as possible. Blue, I don't know too much about. I know there were a handful in the books, and that was pretty much all. But, that was also in modern day, so they may have been a bit more plentiful in earlier years.
As far as ethnicity goes...I'll be the first to say I'm a stickler for authenticity more often than not. So, my question on that would be, what do you count as "Asian?" There are Far East Asians (traditionally thought of as "Asian" Asians [Chinese, Japanese {far as I know, the only indigenous wild cat in Japan is the Tsushima Leopard Cat}, Korean]), Southeast Asians (the wetback Asians [Siamese, Filipino, Burmese, etc.]), Western Asians (the forgotten Asians [Indian, Tibetan, Mongolian, etc.]). Heck, even large parts of Russia are considered "Asian." Sort of like how middle-eastern-looking Egyptians, or white South Africans, are still considered African. All I know about the tigers is that they're from "the East," which is...- .- SO helpful on LKH's part...bitch.
Too many questions and things to weigh.
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Post by lilfire on Oct 12, 2011 22:03:56 GMT -5
I definitely feel infected should be allowed. We all know how tigers treat the infected, and that's just how it is. It happens. So I definitely think they should be allowed.
Colors, heck..I still don't know the damned differences between all of them. It all confuses me. I usually play infected and have only ever played one noble black tiger, so I don't really care as long as we know what's allowed and what's not.
As far as ethnicity? Because there are only so many models to pick from when it comes to "Asian"...I'd say infected should be able to be whatever ethnicity they want, within reason. There are many people who traveled to and from "The East" at this point in history who could afford it, so they could possibly be infected by anyone. Naturally born tigers? Like Diar and chaos said up there, it would depend on what you mean by "the East." I'm more inclined to be more liberal with the term because of model choosing than to be more strict, but that's just me.
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Post by lilfire on Oct 12, 2011 22:04:58 GMT -5
Oh, and definitely no outright "golden" tigers. Those just always end up being killjoys in my experience.
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Post by Kuro on Oct 12, 2011 23:38:45 GMT -5
Black and Blue tigers are Melanistic Tigers which are basically opposite albino which do occur in the wild. They're just really rare and often die. Usually as they get abandoned by their parents as they look wrong or get killed because they cannot blend in with their surroundings.
Golden Tigers are actually a naturally occuring tiger as well. They are an extremely rare color variant. They are mostly kept in captivity but they did exist in the wild, the last wild golden tiger having been killed in the early 20th century. Golden Tabby Tigers if anyone wants to look them up cause they are pretty tigers.
Going by how many I know exist of any of those in real life, we wouldn't be allowing many Blues or Golds. Considering Blues are almost non-existant and there are only 30 surviving Golden tigers in captivity. Probably 1 of each, maybe 2 for blue but thats about it if we do permit them. The reason Blue having more is because they're the same as Black tigers to me. xD
Originally, LKH stated that almost all the golden tigers were wiped out aside from the one that infected Anita (don't have the exact line but it's implied that was the last of the Golden Tigers). However, there are at least 4 more that were mentioned in the books later on. The Harlequin have been protecting them from so called extinction so there would be a handful of them around at this time anyway.
Asian descent would be primarily East Asian or what everyone considers Asian with the others open for debate with BR and I. We're pretty flexible when it comes to what people can play. We also know that not everyone will be able to find an asian model to fit what they want or not even want to play an asian. I know I am picky with models, but this is more about the tigers and not the models. ^_~
Also keep in mind that Tigers are elitests. If they were involved in the Silk Road it would be through a human proxy. Pureblooded tigers would not lower themselves to associate that closely with anyone outside their circle. They would have humans do it for them. Think of them like the Forbidden City in China. They don't deal with the outside world, keeping their culture a secret from everyone and everything. They also breed to keep their lines pure so even the potential of outside contact would be nearly forbidden.
Infected tigers come in two categories when it comes to tigers in the Anita Blake world. There are the ones that have received it as a gift, humans who were considered worthy but are still treated worse then dirt. Or the ones who were accidently infected. As the Chang can sense all the tigers in the world and Nationalism is high in China, any infected tiger would either be killed out right (policing isn't too high back then so ending up dead isn't that uncommon) or put to test to see if they are capable of being worthy of being a tiger. I'm fairly certain that any tiger, not fitting her standards, would be killed anyway.
We're also not going into the fact that some players can be asshats if they are given too much power. We just want to know the general opinion on the tigers. =]
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Post by dreads on Oct 13, 2011 0:15:09 GMT -5
As much as I understand the books talk about Asian's being the base race for Tigers... I think that over time there would have been branches of tigers that would have spread out over the whole of Europe and they would have intermingled with all of the other continents... So i think that as much as i can see the reason for wanting to make them predominately Asians... Especially if they were exiled out of china... Wouldnt some of them have gone and sewn some seeds elsewhere? So while they might have asian decendants, i dont believe they would have been all asian...
Also I really dont feel like if there are infected tigers, that they should be whatever color they like... i think if you're going to let them have colors then they should be allowed to go either white and orange would be okay for infected tigers but not black, blue, red or gold... Since those are supposed to be the more rare tigers...
i think that if Tigers were all pureblooded then it would give people more of a chance to play with everyone... Cause then you dont have to worry about someone getting all elitist or anything like that and along those lines... Tigers are extremely neoptistic, and they are all about incest to make SURE that their blood is not polluted... so as far as infected tigers go... i personally dont think they should be allowed just now...
My 2 cents!
<3 Dreads!
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Post by Nick on Oct 13, 2011 11:54:56 GMT -5
Infected tigers are always orange, they cannot be any other color. I think they should be allowed but only if the person playing one knows what they are doing (and I don't mean that offensively) and can hold their own in a fight. Cause clearly they will have to prove that they can kick some ass in order to stay alive.
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